rugas wrote:

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>Has anyone made any sense of any of the clues on the maranatha website?

Yes.....Le Serpent Rouge.  Look it up.  "The white is the land of the beast, the red..."

>I can see some small patterns but ever since the pig-pen cypher clue it been all >downhill from there.

The "pig-pen cypher" is a Masonic cypher.

 

I've already "peeked" at the end, you are not going to like it.  Get to close and it will suck you in.  Kiss your life goodbye.

 

nick wrote:

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Jason, you post prolifically on here, and the content of your posts I find interesting. I want to know what puzzle in the US you were lead to from Reenes le Chateau. Can you give some detail on what your research was at RLC and how you followed the lead to the US?

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It's best that I not at this time.  Trust me it's truly for the best.  I made the mistake of speaking about it at work, not knowing most of management were Masons or members of similiar groups.  Next thing I know I am being stalked, harassed, recieving threatening phone calls, tires slashed, etc....

I never once believed the accusations against these people made by certain Evangelical Christians.  I always thought they were making it up, like during "The Satanic Panic" of the 1980's.  After actualy experiencing this for myself, I've since changed my mind.

Let's just say that I will never be able to simply "dismiss" any accusations leveled against them from here on out, as they have destroyed all of the trust I naturaly extended toward them.

-Jason

nick wrote:

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How would you feel about leaving me your email address and then we can discuss it offline?

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I don't think that's a good idea.  I just don't know how to communicate to you how evil this thing is.  It's best to just stay away from it all together.  These people are sick.  They are a cult.  I don't ultimately know what this thing is about, but I can tell you the information I do know suggests that these people have an agenda and a plan, and they aren't above lying and destroying lives in order to fulfill that plan.  I was even recently "warned", "You are not to play traffic guard and attempt to warn people away from this puzzle or similar ones..".  This was followed by "Somebody's gonna get hurt". (I assume that was a threat leveled at me.)

jjack wrote:

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>Hi everyone, This is my first post,  gees,,, Jason your post concerns me and I >would like to know more of your story. but in all fairness it doesn't sound any >stranger than to think one could find a secret kept hidden for thousands of years >by just reading stuff.

Excellent Observation!  See, there is a group behind this thing that already knows what "The Secret" is.  What they want is for someone who doesn't know, to bring this information forward to the world.  This concerns me. What is the nature of this information?  Is it good or bad?  Will it help or hurt humanity?  EVERYONE seems to have Agendas these days......

> I really don't get the le serpent rouge connection

It's a puzzle connected with the mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau and supposedly put out by "The Priory of Sion".  Now, "The Priory of Sion" is just a fancy way of saying "Freemason", as I've conversed with several researchers on this topic who agree that various French Freemasons are involved. 

"Le Serpent Rouge" = "The Red Serpent"

In the middle ages, the term "Serpent" was synonmous with "Dragon", so therefore the phrase is the same as saying "The Red Dragon".

> could use some help there, but how about the sheild of Joseph? maybe this is >about the King Aurthor legends,Joseph of Aramathie  a sheild made by Joseph of >Aramathie with his own blood, a white background with a red cross.

Could be a reference to the Templars....

>.. here is a link to an old stained glass art representation of the legend: >http://museum.msu.edu/museum/msgc/1996/96_0043q.jpg and look at the date >of the next clue, April 23, St Georges day, check out the banner of St George: >http://fotw.vexillum.com/flags/gb-eng.html  and this may link Dec 25 part of >clue:

Note:  St. Geaorge was a DRAGON-SLAYER.  Dec. 25th is very close to the Winter Solstice, which celebrates the birth of the "Sun".  In Egyptian mythology, Darkness is embodied as the serpent "Aphophis", the enemy of the Sun-God, Ra.

>So did they lay their mantle down for a King to raise it as his standard! check a >theasuarus to find mantle can be another name for a vest ( white w/ the red >cross were vests worn at points throughout the crusade.) ( check a theasuarus >to find Standard  another name for flag) so how about it? what do you think? >don't have a clue what it means but it may mean something. thanks, jjack-- >Edited by jjack at 03:09, 2006-05-27

Yes, again references to the Templars, whose symbol was a red cross on a white banner.

Also, is the prophecy of the return of "The Fallen King" which certain CULTS believe and are apparantly trying to actualy cause.

Does anybody else question the purpose of this?

 

 

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Hi all!

This is my first post.

I started puzzling late and now hope to find the time to keep at it.  

Could the clue(s) given on April 23/06 (St. George’s Feast Day) mean that we are to look at St. George to find four things that describe what we are looking for? And are we not looking for a secret Key, a ‘device’ that opens the greatest of treasures? The word Key is capitalized but the word ‘device’ is not, so they must not be exactly the same thing! Perhaps it is a ‘device’ with a ‘Key’ feature that is so ‘fundamental’ as to be of ‘central importance’ to the puzzle … even at the very ‘crux’ of it? (I used ‘key’ words in the dictionary!)

In the coded text it says that the three shepherds “each shoulder their own caduceus” (symbol of office or authority). Perhaps St. George also shouldered (had the capacity for bearing a task or blame and/or also had the capacity to assume the burden or responsibility of) his own caduceus!

Saint George was/is

1-     the Patron SAINT of England (United Kingdom)

2-     a Spiritual KNIGHT / DRAGON-SLAYER

3-     a SOLDIER / WARRIOR

4-     a MARTYR who died (layed his mantle down) for his beliefs

http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/stgeorge.html

- A Spiritual Knight/Soldier/Warrior shoulders ‘weapons’ to contend with a rival (perhaps a sword, lance, pen, etc… and the Word as Sword) and to defend the King/Kingdom. He prepares for battle (spiritual and/or physical) and enters into combat wearing protective ‘gear’ (perhaps a shield, a helmet, a covering for the body, and the Word). He carries his King’s banner and fights for His cause (which also becomes the warrior’s personal cause), even to the point of shedding his own blood. As a dragon-

slayer, the Knight fights his own inner demons  (dragons) and at the same time fights for his King against the dragons (evil) in the Kingdom. At his induction (anointing) the knight usually swore to be brave, loyal, and courteous and to protect the defenseless from oppressors.

- (Christian) Martyrs shoulder the Cross of Christ and the banner/standard/mantle of His shed Blood. They also ‘shoulder’ (stand up for) their beliefs and ‘endure’ what is thrust upon them by oppressors, even to the point of death. They also wear the mantle of their own shed blood and gain the crown of martyrdom.

- Saints are ordinary people (sinners) who have been purified and justified (made lily-white; made God-righteous, not self-righteous) by the Blood of Jesus, no matter how evil they once were. Some saints have accomplished extraordinary acts for their Lord after having been Christened (anointed) by the Holy Spirit in the name of God and Jesus. These walk in His name (they are His feet) and are Sacred unto the Lord. They are often pictured as wearing a crown of victory symbolized as a radiant halo, and as  ‘shouldering’ identifying marks/emblems (symbols) by which they can be recognized.  

So, from the above, what is of ‘central importance’ to the puzzle … even at the very ‘crux’ (cross) of it? I think we are right back to St. George’s shield … a blood-red cross on a lily-white background! And, as jjack said, it could also be Joseph of Aramathia’s shield or, as LuckyHoodoo said, it could be a reference to the Templars.

Lest someone gets me wrong after posting this, I do not belong to an organized church nor am I a church-goer but I am a Believer in the Word.  

As for the Dec. 25th clue, well that’s for another time! I’ve already said in 100 words what someone else would say in 10!

avoice

About the Dec. 25/05 clue:

So did those feet in ancient times walk where they buried their burning gold!
So did they lay their mantle down for a King to raise it as his standard!

I believe, as already suggested by others, that the Dec. 25/05 clue relates to Blake’s poem ‘Jerusalem’. It seems however, that “those feet” are not the same.

In his poem ‘Jerusalem’ (it speaks personally to each individual), Blake seems to lament the fact that “those feet” (Christians) are not walking as they should and (the Heavenly or New) Jerusalem cannot be built ‘among the dark Satanic mills’ … (in an oppressive and materialistic world) because the Divine (as Sun/Light) cannot shine forth through the ‘dark clouds’ (anything that comes between man and the Spirit of God).

In Maranatha, could the phrase ‘they buried their burning gold’ refer to the Martyrs (labeled as heretics) who were imprisoned, tortured, burned alive and buried where once they walked, though they were as gold unto the Lord?

Anyone want to share other ideas?

avoice

avoice wrote:

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Hi all!

This is my first post.

I started puzzling late and now hope to find the time to keep at it.  

 

Could the clue(s) given on April 23/06 (St. George’s Feast Day) mean that we are to look at St. George to find four things that describe what we are looking for? And are we not looking for a secret Key, a ‘device’ that opens the greatest of treasures? The word Key is capitalized but the word ‘device’ is not, so they must not be exactly the same thing! Perhaps it is a ‘device’ with a ‘Key’ feature that is so ‘fundamental’ as to be of ‘central importance’ to the puzzle … even at the very ‘crux’ of it? (I used ‘key’ words in the dictionary!)

 

In the coded text it says that the three shepherds “each shoulder their own caduceus” (symbol of office or authority). Perhaps St. George also shouldered (had the capacity for bearing a task or blame and/or also had the capacity to assume the burden or responsibility of) his own caduceus!

 

Saint George was/is

1-     the Patron SAINT of England (United Kingdom)

2-     a Spiritual KNIGHT / DRAGON-SLAYER

3-     a SOLDIER / WARRIOR

4-     a MARTYR who died (layed his mantle down) for his beliefs

http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/stgeorge.html

 

 

- A Spiritual Knight/Soldier/Warrior shoulders ‘weapons’ to contend with a rival (perhaps a sword, lance, pen, etc… and the Word as Sword) and to defend the King/Kingdom. He prepares for battle (spiritual and/or physical) and enters into combat wearing protective ‘gear’ (perhaps a shield, a helmet, a covering for the body, and the Word). He carries his King’s banner and fights for His cause (which also becomes the warrior’s personal cause), even to the point of shedding his own blood. As a dragon-

slayer, the Knight fights his own inner demons  (dragons) and at the same time fights for his King against the dragons (evil) in the Kingdom. At his induction (anointing) the knight usually swore to be brave, loyal, and courteous and to protect the defenseless from oppressors.

 

- (Christian) Martyrs shoulder the Cross of Christ and the banner/standard/mantle of His shed Blood. They also ‘shoulder’ (stand up for) their beliefs and ‘endure’ what is thrust upon them by oppressors, even to the point of death. They also wear the mantle of their own shed blood and gain the crown of martyrdom.

 

- Saints are ordinary people (sinners) who have been purified and justified (made lily-white; made God-righteous, not self-righteous) by the Blood of Jesus, no matter how evil they once were. Some saints have accomplished extraordinary acts for their Lord after having been Christened (anointed) by the Holy Spirit in the name of God and Jesus. These walk in His name (they are His feet) and are Sacred unto the Lord. They are often pictured as wearing a crown of victory symbolized as a radiant halo, and as  ‘shouldering’ identifying marks/emblems (symbols) by which they can be recognized.  

 

 

So, from the above, what is of ‘central importance’ to the puzzle … even at the very ‘crux’ (cross) of it? I think we are right back to St. George’s shield … a blood-red cross on a lily-white background! And, as jjack said, it could also be Joseph of Aramathia’s shield or, as LuckyHoodoo said, it could be a reference to the Templars.

 

Lest someone gets me wrong after posting this, I do not belong to an organized church nor am I a church-goer but I am a Believer in the Word.  

 

As for the Dec. 25th clue, well that’s for another time! I’ve already said in 100 words what someone else would say in 10!

 

avoice

 

 

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Historically speaking the legend of St George originated from asia minor or modern day Turkey.

And April 23 is not too far off from the celebration of Easter.... St George feast day have different dates of celebration for the Orthodox calendar...

my apologies for not talking about the clues. I am actualy seeking advice. here is situation:

I think i know the answer to the puzzle. Big Claim, eh?

topic of the puzzle is familiar and is in fact something i researched for years before book came out. The books existance and authors claim (see interview) became a bit of confirmation ,  in  away , of what i already suspected.

However, from the book and the interview it is not evident that author(s) actually knows the answer! They present only clues, and expect you to send an answer, but i am not convinced that authors actualy know what to expect.  Reason i say that, is there is nothing in deciphered book - not one thing - that shows authors own understanding. They are well choosen (slightly judeo-christian centric) clues, but no more then clues, some, i belive, miss-interpreted by author. 

Another concern is that author seem to think his puzzle is somehow Great-Britain centric. I can confidenty say that what he sits on came from other cultures, hence there are better clues in thouse cultures. .

There was also a strange part in the BBC interview where author takes a while to think about the location of "holy grail" and admits that he doesnt know. IMHO if he knows what object he is taking about he should know that it can not be found, and even if any stil exist, it is much easier to get one by other means then going to look for one that was unused/or forgotten. yes, there were many :) See, i give clues too!

So here is my dillema:

do i send a right answer to "people unknown" and just hope that they, in fact, have the same thing on the other end??? I read some posts that talk about strong massonic threats received by somebody on this very board! I am not sure that these people can be trusted. what are they going to do whith what i send them? questions questions... :) it's certainly worth more then a mil pounds.

my appologies for poor english.